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Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 00:36:19 Originally by: N Solarz Originally by: Nyphur That's all it took, a little honesty. You wanted a war with ISS, all you had to do is throw the first punch, not goad us into attacking. ISS is a defensive alliance and would never attack first. I won't comment any more on this, if there's an announcement it will be from Count TaSessine. bah, you guys have been escalating for the past week! ISSN doubles its presence in zxic, 6 more towers go up, unnessacary locking of IAC members. lets looked at who provoed who, and i think that the clear answer is ISS provoked IAC. these opinions are my own and do not affect my corps or alliances views. You utter tard. The ISS blob in ZXIC (an outpost they built months before yours appeared next door) was there because they deployed another outpost this weekend. Thats all. And -on noes- they put up some towers in their own outpost system? Yeah, thats really a bad aggressive sign isnt it IAC: pathetic. There was zero provocation. You are scraping the very bottom of the barrel for excuses. Its called warmongering, nothing wrong with that, but call it for what it is, don't hide behind ridiculous excuses like 'you put up some POS in your own system'.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:40:00 - [2] Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 10/12/2006 23:09:39 ISS, we knew what you were up ever since the MC conflict. We just responded first this time. We will defend ourselves. Defend yourself against WHAT? Some POS in their own outpost systems? Are you guys seriously this stupid, or is this an elaborate joke?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Jnr Rau Edited by: Jnr Rau on 11/12/2006 01:57:48 Kassad = Asshat.. its a shorter list to name those that don't know it in the eve community. Friends help each other out, neutrality sits on the fence. ISS aren't either of these.... choo choo the mantrain is coming to an ISS system near you. Frankly if you even manage to knock out one of their POS without losing your entire dread fleet, I'll be utterly shocked.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Murukan haha what does iss have friends coming? Cause the issn is the most pathetic excuse for a pvp corp ever. They won't jump in a 40 man fleet cause we have 3 bs on the gate. ISSN have always been pathetic, they were pathetic when you in it, they are even more pathetic now. The fact you actually believe in them just makes you pathetic I'll tell you what I believe. I believe that ISS know very well how to kill dreads. I believe they are an alliance focused on outposts, and as such have considered POS assaults very carefully. I believe that if IAC deploy their dreads against well equipped deathstars they will lose them all. 9UY gave them plenty of practice, after all. Oh, but sorry, because you use recons to kill mining barges and PvE ravens, and snipe shuttles in your 200km apocs, that makes you uber at POS assaults.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Murukan yah iss is a force to be feared lol and all we do is snipe shuttles. Why don't you pull your head out of your ass. I know you're super sad cause if you take a look at our griefwatch board we have kicked your ass everywhich way past sunday. But when it all comes down to it, iss are cowards who suck at pvp. We prove that everyday and will continue to throughout this war. ISS are not a PvP alliance, that is true. But they have developed very effective strategies for killing dreads, and they have proven those to be effective already. So, bring it on.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Murukan you show yourself as clueless once again. You have no idea what the war plans are so why don't you just shut your mouth and take your place on the sidelines like the cheerleader you are. It seems you are the clueless one, if you think outposts can be placed at risk without Dreads being involved. If you're just going to carry on shooting at ISS traffic, well I guess its just business as usual for them.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:59:00 - [7] Originally by: JaredC01 ISSN = MC Support Fleet <-- Spoken from an ex-ISSN Captain's standpoint... Nice job IAC, wish I could have been there to see it. Give them hell guys. [Insert ISS Diplomat Complaint/Rant Here] [Insert Butter Dog's Personal Views Here] Yarrr. Perhaps you could help them with your amazing auto-cannon geddon?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 12:03:22 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough Georgik is wrong, if we did do so there would be no deal with the current shareholders. I'm going to tell you hear and now: you couldn't take them even if you wanted to. If you tried, you'd lose all your dreads. IAC should be ashamed of their utter lack of balls. You lie about your reasons for war, and now you shy away from anything remotely challenging. Please do atttempt to take the outposts. Go right ahead. I'll gain much satisfaction reading all your dread killmails on the ISS board. I used to fight alongside IAC, and I can count the number of decent FC's you have on one hand - zero. Though I'm sure your pirate friends who live next door (very fitting with your free space ideals) could help you out there.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:15:00 - [9] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Edited by: DHB FooFighter on 11/12/2006 06:22:35 For all you greedy forumy types. Here is some stats from the first coupla hours in the fighting in ZXIC Kills: BS: 25 elite BC: 1 BC: 9 Cruisers: 20 HAC: 2 Frigs: 47 losses: BS: 3 (domi, domi, scorp) << short range 4tl! crazy bastards :P BC: 4 Cruisers: 10 Frigs: 45 This is from IAC's private killboard so if ISS has some more BS losses then please feel free to send them to me and I will post them. Real IAC losses from the ISS board for the few hours you refer to are: Assault Ships: 20 T1 frigates: 39 Interdictor: 2 BC: 4 Stealth Bomber: 2 Battleship: 5 Cruiser: 13 Interceptors: 15 Covert Ops: 1 The high number of T2 frigate losses are representative of the fact you send a T2 frigate fleet into ZX which was completely slaughtered, getting about 3 kills.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:17:00 - [10] Originally by: gusta They instructed the removal of assets from iss stns becuase they heard rumors that iss was going to reset iac standings. lol! You guys are clutching desperately at straws here. Count made a post expressing a desire for continued 'blue' relations, so how you arrive at that conclusion is beyond me. You really must try harder on this smear campaign, its failing miserably so far.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Adril Alatar Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 12:03:22 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk IAC is not particularly interested in taking those two outposts, but that could change easily enough Georgik is wrong, if we did do so there would be no deal with the current shareholders. I'm going to tell you hear and now: you couldn't take them even if you wanted to. If you tried, you'd lose all your dreads. IAC should be ashamed of their utter lack of balls. You lie about your reasons for war, and now you shy away from anything remotely challenging. Please do atttempt to take the outposts. Go right ahead. I'll gain much satisfaction reading all your dread killmails on the ISS board. I used to fight alongside IAC, and I can count the number of decent FC's you have on one hand - zero. Though I'm sure your pirate friends who live next door (very fitting with your free space ideals) could help you out there. you are funny, but you have no clue.... Very easy to type those few words, but it means nothing. I've outlined my view and the reasons for it. If you wish to counter that with reasoned argument, go right ahead. If all you can do is resort to vague insults or one-liners... well we know who wins the debate. And its not you.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:30:00 - [12] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Butter Dog Perhaps you could help them with your amazing auto-cannon geddon? Perhaps you could help ISS with your unparalelled wit? You do understand, the more you say the more you turn people against ISS right? The traffic in my ear from neutrals to this is quite different. Don't think the general population of EVE are that stupid. They can see this for what it is. They don't think ISS 'deserved' the -10 from IAC. They believe the excuses IAC have give are manufactured at best. They are also curious to know why these threads have such a large number of posts from Shroud of Darkness... and seeing IAC work so closely with pirates is certainly a stain on their 'free space' reputation. Fact is, IAC used to stand for something. But bored of NBSI, they now actively sponsor nearby pirate forces, and turn on the nearest entity they think they can get easy kills from. Its all so obvious, and thats why people are not falling for IAC's story. Nor are they falling for the spam of Shroud of Darkness posts (usually low-level smack).
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:39:00 - [13] Originally by: n sx Butter Dog, your rants in this thread border on stupidity. You're making bold claims that make you look like a fool. You've spoken poorly of IAC, with no idea of ever having fought us (other than 7 days in Curse Coalition). We know you've hated IAC for a very long time, who knows why, we just don't care. You can probably be blamed for alot of the ISSN/IAC tension back at the begining of the year anyway with your underhanded relationships and dealings with Curse Coalition/Tyrell Corp. So in summary, stop yapping, just get in a ship and head on down for a fight. Get back into ISS, or stay in your current corp - you're RED either way. TBH, I suspected I might be red to IAC when I started ganking your mission runners and building an impressive collection of T2 cap rechargers (kali probing ftw). That aside, I've always held IAC in mostly high regard, until now. I liked your free space ideals, you seemed like an honest and forthright group of guys, and I was vocal in my support of you during your war with McFix. But all that is gone, and its down to YOUR actions, not mine. - You sponsor pirates who actively hunt traffic in your alleged 'free space' - You manufacture excuses to set ISS to -10 and lack the balls to be upfront and honest about your motives - You have lost your integrity, and everything you once stood for. Thats fine, you're entitled to change. But that doesnt mean I have to carry on thinking 'what a nice bunch IAC are'. Far from it.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 13:17:00 - [14] Originally by: gusta we shoot the occational neutral in f4 but we dont activly hunt in f4r2. we dont check the belts or the stns for neutrals. only time we kill anything in f4 is if its a negative to us or we chased it in(wich doesnt happen very much) You guys are flying alongside IAC. You're blue to them. And the Doril pipe is the one major travel pipe to and from IAC space, its also the one you camp the most. I'm just curious to know why IAC, who apparently have free space and open markets, would wish to give piratical forces who camp the main entry/exit systems + standings. Seems to go against what IAC used to stand for. And, yes, its no secret that I don't mind the odd bit of piracy myself, but I'm not the one taking the moral high ground like IAC and their 'free space' blah blah.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 13:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Gutsani Anyone wanne bet who is gonna fall first? ASCN or ISS? lol If you think ISS are going to fall, you're about to learn a valuable lesson. ISS is all about the outposts. You guys are very effective pirates, some of the best, but you won't be able to take their outposts. Try if you like.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:24:00 - [16] Originally by: Maria Ravenwind If they are so profecient at killing Dreads and protecting their deathstars, then what happened with the CC/CDC invasion a number of months ago? All I remember happening is CC/CDC locking down KDF, CC/CDC stopping any form of resistence from ISS, IAC and a few other alliances coming to help, and then CC/CDC was gone, without a POS touched. Your memory serves you poorly. No dreads were deployed by CC/CDC. They opted instead to POS-spam the system. Now ZX has triple the number of deathstars. So go ahead, make ISS's day and have a go.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Silvestri NOBODY IN ISS NOTICED THAT MC AND FIX WERE IN LOCAL IN MASSIVE NUMBERS???!!! YOU'RE FULL OF ****!! Nobody in there right mind would not notice that and ask what there purpose was at said time.... You can dance around this point all you'd like but YOU know you're wrong on this one!! Even Count admitted it. Er, ISS have already stated that they noticed. And as soon as Count was back from a RL meeting in London, he asked Seleene to move (which MC have confirmed to be true). Also, ISSN initially blocked the Fix fleet from coming IAC's way.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 1. When ISS forms a NAP with Curse Coalition and tells IAC to leave while CC extracts assests from the area (as good will) Then allows the CC to base from their area for a couple of jumps less skirmishes with IAC. I was at the negotiations on ventrilo. IAC were there too. ISS brought you guys to the table on that day, and a ceasefire was agreed betweeen you and CC/CDC. YOUR pilots then broke the ceasefire. Hardly our fault. Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 2. Before MCFIX, FIX used ISS outposts to stage attacks against IAC for some mutual and very fun pew pew sessions. Some how docking is allowed when supposibly hostile. (I believe I remember chasing that damn Jovius Manginus and his Vagabond many a day and himself hiding in the Tycho station grrr.) Before McFix, FIX were RED to ISS, and shot ISS on a daily basis. A few days before they attacked you, they approached ISS to ask for mutual blue standings, which ISS agreed to. No-one knew anything about the imminent attack on IAC, not even you guys. Both MC and FIX were asked to NOT base out of ISS outposts during the attack, which they agreed to. Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 3. MCFIX uses ISS stations as a small base to set up siege shop. NAPS a long time enemy of theirs (FIX) and allows both partys to set shop and access to a friends space to oust IAC out of the Catch region. Regardless off IACS warnings that ISS pilots are to stay out of IAC space, many cases of ISS pilots are roaming around looking at active fleets and possibly spying. IAC still refrains from firing. Reports of the Count (which he confesses himself as a lapse of judgement.) watches as a IAC POS is put into reinforced. Again, they DID use ISS stations to start with, and as soon as ISS management found out, they asked MC/FIX to leave. They did this. This has ALREADY been confirmed by Seleene. Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 4. In the same MCFIX timeframe, out of mutual repect of each other, SNIGG and Priory decide they rather see IAC in Catch and aid IAC in fighting MCFIX. ISS is warned on countless times to not fire on SNIGG and Priory since they are temporary blue for defense at the time. (even AFTER Priory becomes IAC themselves!) ISS continuely violates pleas to not engage allys that have agreed not to fire on ISS. Utter rubbish. Priory opened fire on ISS first, and the killmails and logs are there to prove it, and these where presented to your management at the time. Eventually PRI leave IAC, and even ADMIT they do so because they want to shoot ISS. Originally by: Cicilus Hadrican 5. Pretty much same note, MCFIX siege is over and ISS continues to engage Priory, while they are under the IAC flag, with Priory tring their best not to fight back. Only to fight back when eggressed. Dispite Priory flying a IAC flag at the time, this would be in itself a ACT OF WAR. Priory seperates from IAC due to IAC not wanting to fight ISS due to mutual goals. Just, lol. Are you so completely retarded you actually think that ISS engaged PRI first, that they somehow buliied this elite group of pirates? That a group of miners and industrialists hunted them down? That PRI, who ADMITTED they wanted to shoot ISS, didnt do it to stir things up? Your reasons are not even credible. Its just one pathetic excuse after another.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Layla Currie Butter you need to stop replying you just show your ignorance. You have no clue about what has been going on, so just go back to pirating in your one system and being a non factor. IAC are talking about past events as a reason for justifying the -10 setting. I am perfectly well informed about these past events, having been there in person, but thanks for your concern all the same.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:24:00 - [20] Originally by: Hoshi About 10 dreads where deployed and all 3 medium moon mining posses with token guns you had as defence where put in reinforced. It could been done without dreads if that you are getting at. About 5 large deathstar posses where put up but they where unanchord before they had a chance to claim soverginity as the whole affair where resolved in less than 24h. Large POS were up and running, and you guys zerged in 5 large POS. We then went and got 10 large POS (I remember as I escorted the freighter from Agil) which we started to deploy with you in system. Not that it matters, these events were so long ago and ISS's capability and entire strategies when it comes to system defence have completely changed.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:35:00 - [21] Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 18:35:06 Originally by: Itaro Flagg Enough chatter then Butter. Get your tag fixed, and either put up or shut up. No matter how hard you forum *****, it isn't going to stop a fleet. The real fighting goes on in game, the forums are just pre-gaming. You know as well as me that public perception counts. Why else did IAC start this thread? Oh, but now IAC are being exposed for what they are, you want to stop talking all of a sudden. Quelle suprise.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Layla Currie Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 18:35:06 Originally by: Itaro Flagg Enough chatter then Butter. Get your tag fixed, and either put up or shut up. No matter how hard you forum *****, it isn't going to stop a fleet. The real fighting goes on in game, the forums are just pre-gaming. You know as well as me that public perception counts. Why else did IAC start this thread? Oh, but now IAC are being exposed for what they are, you want to stop talking all of a sudden. Quelle suprise. yah public perception counts a lot, which is why so many people hate iss and are cheering iac on, cause of idiots like you lol The only people I see here posting in support of IAC are SOD, IAC, and their alts with little exclamation marks.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 18:58:00 - [23] Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 18:58:42 Originally by: Itaro Flagg Which is to say, what you think you're doing for ISS's image, is considerably far from the reality of the situation. Tell me what you think setting ISS to -10 on the back of some very dubious reasons has done for the image of IAC. I think thats a slighty more important point.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:03:00 - [24] Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 19:05:25 Originally by: Layla Currie lol you really are that dumb huh? Maybe i'm blind but i see posts cheering on IAC from IMP, AAA, BoB, Iron, and others. So yah once again most of eve dislikes iss cause of idiots like you How do you define 'cheering on', a few randoms saying 'ooh pew pew in the south' is hardly a seal of approval. IAC have damaged their previously good reputation, and thats is the fact. Anyway, post with your main, Priory alt. Yet more posts from SOD/IAC flaming me personally is hardly going to get you very far in the battle for public opinion. Making it personal just makes your arguement look weak. Which it is. 'Oh I dont like you Butter Dog, so IAC were right to set ISS to -10'. Even though, er, I'm not in ISS. Nice one.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:09:00 - [25] Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 19:09:34 Originally by: Layla Currie damaged their reputation in who's eyes? Yours? And that's important why? You're a non factor get over it. So far the alliance that says they will back iss is LV, and frankly LV has quite a few problems of their own No alliance leader has publically backed IAC. As for being a non-factor - I'm not the Priory alt. Why are SOD so keen not to have IAC shown in a bad light, I wonder Perhaps its because you fully support their free space ideals, and do so by camping their main entry/exit point to keep out neutral traffic.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:20:00 - [26] Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/12/2006 19:20:29 Originally by: Kristoffer Dubious reasons Butter Dog? I think IAC has every right to set ISS to negative as a result of ISS's in both the past and present and what was planned by ISS for IAC. Cheers. You're a well known anti-ISS forum chap, which is fine. But I'm curious, what plans did they have for IAC? Count made a public post requesting continued friendly relations, so anything outside of that I'm sure will be of interest to everyone. Spill the beans ;)
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:47:00 - [27] Well, I have a covert in F4 and have witnessed a joint PRI/IAC gatecamp shooting neutral haulers 2006.12.11 19:38:00 Notify mirem [R M N]<IAC>(Thorax) has started trying to warp scramble Helga Potake [DLI](Iteron Mark IV) Nice, IAC. Good to see you are basically just common pirates now. Shouldnt you issue a statement to that effect?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:50:00 - [28] Originally by: maGz I don't know why I bother as what I'm about to say will get spinned into me not being able to handle the truth but seriously - Butter shut up. Your failure to see that you are completely destroying ISS' reputation (you're not in ISS yes, but everyone knows your an ISS-pendulum (tick tock anyone?)) is amazing. It was fun at first, but now... well you're truely turning into the new laughing stock of the EvE-forums. Sad to see someone that I once held at quite high regards fail completely The only laughing stock here is SOD jumping all over this thread at every opportunity, then claiming they have nothing to do with it. And, well, I'm hardly suprised if anyone in SOD or IAC say what you have said about me in this thread. Its to be expected.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Layla Currie Edited by: Layla Currie on 11/12/2006 19:54:55 Originally by: Butter Dog Well, I have a covert in F4 and have witnessed a joint PRI/IAC gatecamp shooting neutral haulers 2006.12.11 19:38:00 Notify mirem [R M N]<IAC>(Thorax) has started trying to warp scramble Helga Potake [DLI](Iteron Mark IV) Nice, IAC. Good to see you are basically just common pirates now. Shouldnt you issue a statement to that effect? iac takes on nbsi when they enter a conflict close to their home. One jump is quite close to their home yah? That hauler could be ferrying supplies to ISS or that corp might be red to iac. You don't know the politics involved you're just running your mouth. I love how you start your spin from calling iac bullies to now pirates. You're a class act and a reason why no one likes iss and we never said we don't care about the conflict. We are friends with IAC so we very much care about what happens to them. IAC has made it perfectly clear in this thread they value our friendship over the useless token friendship iss gave them Dear Priory Alt, You are remarkably keen to carry on posting considering that, apparently PRI have nothing to do with this. That aside, IAC have not declared NBSI yet, and if they are going to, should they not start now? And I understand that F4 was excluded from the IAC NBSI zone last time. This is a war THEY chose, completely different to the time when they were under siege from McFix. As for the hauler moving supplies to ISS, it was heading toward Empire.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 21:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Toman Torax Originally by: Butter Dog You are remarkably keen to carry on posting considering that, apparently PRI have nothing to do with this. And I have been wondering since the start of this thread, what, exactly you have to do with this...? Am I reading the corp ticker wrong? Or maybe please, by all means, join the ranks of ISS again. I would love to see you on my overview Well I've been sitting in F4 with an alt in a covert for the best part of 4 hours (his bio reads 'Butter Dogs Alt', for clarity). Even then a director from IAC convo'd me to ask why I was in IAC space, lol. So in case you could not yet work it out, I am firmly on the side of ISS. Unlike ISS, though, I am not currently bound by their 'no forum posts' rule. However, just because I don't have ISS on my alliance ticker doesnt mean I'm not helping them in any other way I can. Some in ISS are aware of what I am doing for them over the coming days, most arent, and neither are you. But believe me when I say it is a significant contribution, and I am 100% committed to assiting ISS in this war. Does this provide some clarity as to why I am posting? Mainly: because I can.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 21:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Eveliddia It is truely sad that the forum warrior / champion of ISS is a low security pirate who only engages pilots who have yet to pop their cherry. Anyway at this point, gl to both sides. I only speak for myself and this statement does not in anyway reflect the opinion of the CVA. Really? Like you and your corpmates? I seem to have your killmail somewhere... And I'm not 'champion of ISS', I'm just not bound by their no-posting rule.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 21:36:00 - [32] Originally by: IntegralHellsing Originally by: Butter Dog Well I've been sitting in F4 with an alt in a covert for the best part of 4 hours (his bio reads 'Butter Dogs Alt', for clarity). Even then a director from IAC convo'd me to ask why I was in IAC space, lol. Maybe they don't know 'Butter Dog the Magnus'? perhaps... btw, F4 was really dull though I managed to get one IAC member to sing 'Locomotion' with me
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Toman Torax Duh. Is the main thrust of your "significant contribution" steeped deep in forum warfare? Cause that about all it seems to be for now... other than flying around cloaked and gathering intel Just one request: come out in something I can shoot at... cause all this rabble rabble of yours just serves to give headaches. Request Denied.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 23:42:00 - [34] I always find that when people resort to personal attacks, its because they feel they have lost the arguement.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.12 00:46:00 - [35] Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/12/2006 00:47:44 I have to say, that one thing which comes through from the posts of the 'rank and file' IAC members is that their leadership is; - Lying to them about the reasons for war - Going against their best interests in setting such a large neighbour to -10 when such a course of action wasnt needed If you want to play power politics with 1500 miners and young industrialists, at least have the decency to tell them your true motives. Its their game you're effecting. But the real crime here is the damage to IAC's reputation. When big carebear alliances start pretending they have teeth, bad things tend to happen.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.12 01:58:00 - [36] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Lieing to the rank and file? I have had to hold back the rank and file for MONTHS against going to war against ISS. And as for being Carebears, Bears still have claws. Yeah, Xetic thought that, didnt they. Know your place is all I'm saying. ISS certainly know theirs. You guys arent particularly high in the foodchain, you don't need to make more enemies. Escpecially after ISS changed the charter recently so they COULD assist you next time you were attacked. How many other alliances do you know, who would change the whole way they operate based on the feedback of others? Most are too arrogant or belligerent. I think your problem is that you don't know what good neighbours ISS are to have, compared to what COULD be there in their place.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.12 10:52:00 - [37] Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/12/2006 10:52:23 Originally by: n sx Butter ... enough lamo forum posts. You love ISS so much, join up and help them rather sitting on the sidelines, making stupid claims and embarassing yourself. Who is making stupid claims here... judge for yourself: IAC: 'ISS building POS in their own outpost system is an act of aggression' Me: 'ISS changed their charter so they could help you in the event of an attack, its unlikely they want war' Frankly it doesnt take a genius to work out who is talking crap here, and its not me. As for 'sitting on the sidelines', thats news to me. I support ISS. I've done that in-game by providing intel from my covert stationed in your space, and by procuring 14bn ISK worth of T2 ships and PvP mods in KDF to assist their war effort. Hardly sitting on the sideline, is it.

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